Neo-Nazi-Zionist aka David T:
The thing is, if you really really wanted to destroy and discredit the Palestinian cause – and the Palestinian arabs to have an inviolable right to self-govern – I can’t think of a better way to discredit it than this. First, ensure that your main supporters are conspiracy obsessed Islamist supremacists. Second, secure the support of cranky Jewish self-publicists and wind up merchants like Atzmon, whose modus operandi is to see how far they can go in peddling weird racist theories about jews.
Posted by David T at November 24, 2006 01:23 PM
How strange, this sounds exactly what they are doing to Pro-Palestinian organisations….
On Hizb ut Tahrir:
Hizb speakers also appear in most debates.
This is an opportunity for Hizb to mainstream itself. It is also an opportunity for them to advance their crackpot theories about religioun politics and economic, against reputable maistream figures, who will – almost certainly – have no idea of what they’re talking about.
Why not take them on!
You might want to see if you’ve got a Hizb speaker against you and then debate them, specifically, on their odious and totalitarian “Constitution”.
I would love to see this fool go up against Taji Moustafa, this Neo-Zionist will most definitely piss himself. Anyone betting that this Neo-Nazi-Zionist will take on the debate?
There are some good people on that Blog talking sense, have a read:
On point 2 – if you read what Bukhari actually wrote, it clear that what he regards as “pretty much correct and true” is that “the problem was my total ignorance of the situation”. He’s got a superfluous comma in the sentence, but I don’t doubt this is what he means. And, I think this is a positive contribution. I mean, here is a Muslim, explaining the way that, in his experience, Muslim’s think. It is completely wrong to hold Jews as a group accountable for Israel’s actions – just as it is wrong to hold Christian’s accountable for McVeigh, or Muslims for Al-Qaeda.
If David T et al were at all interested in a peaceful resolution to Israel-Palestine, and associated problems, you would look for ways to have a dialogue with the likes of Bukhari, who I have little doubt has good intentions, which are to get British muslims engaged in the political process. Who could object to that?
Posted by TheIrie at November 24, 2006 02:59 PM
TheIrie: David T and his Zio-Nazi supports don’t give two shits if Asghar Bukhari made a mistake intentionally or not. They do not have a heart to forgive. They have a heart to attack, villify and smear any opponent of Israel’s brutality.
I watched the film “Operation Muslim vote”, from the MPACuk website. I honestly don’t doubt Bukhari’s intentions are good, though sometimes he comes across as crude. Most importantly, he is open to debate and dialogue, and rather than saying this is “The End of MPAC” because of something studid and wrong an individual did 6 years ago, which he clearly acknowledge was bourne out of ignorance, we should try to engage with him.
TheIre: If David T wanted to Engage or had a problem he would of called or emailed MPACUK. What I want to know is why is it OKAY for them to place an “Anti-Semitic” image and not OKAY for MPACUK? Asghar Bukhari stated clearly that he removed the images because it offended the Jewish people, so what did David T and his cronies do, say it mysteriously disappeared, and kept up the smear campaign.
Neo-Nazi-Zionists do not want to debate as can be seen from Last Wednesdays PSG event “Anti-Zionism is NOT Anti-Semitism”
Jihad And The City 
November 25, 2006 at 7:40 pm |
I suspect that Ware’s Panorama doc, and the Observer articles are an important factor in the decision of the gvt, and the Tory party, to distance themselves publicly from the MCB. There has also been a general awakening to the nature of Islamist politics: its history, its theories, its development. How many people knew any of this five years ago? Now it is common knowledge, at least among the politically engaged.
Indeed, groups like the BMI only get traction by changing their rhetoric, and posing as some kind of new start. But they’re not very good at it, and their true politics are consistently rumbled: not least because they involve the same old familar faces.
The point, incidentally, is not that they’re anti-semites. It is that they’re political extremists who buy into a zany and fanatical worldview, generally. That’s what scares mainstream politicians off: not the racism. The racism is just the symptom of something which is fundamentally wrong in the way that they think the world works.
The SWP is an a slightly bigger fix. They aren’t going to be able to cut their links to the Islamist movement, which they have – mistakenly – regarded as a vector to increasing their own power base. That’s why the likes of Mick Napier have to say that they “yawn” at the exposure of Atzmon’s politics. What else can they say? That they’ve made a terrible mistake?
The thing is, if you really really wanted to destroy and discredit the Palestinian cause – and the Palestinian arabs to have an inviolable right to self-govern – I can’t think of a better way to discredit it than this. First, ensure that your main supporters are conspiracy obsessed Islamist supremacists. Second, secure the support of cranky Jewish self-publicists and wind up merchants like Atzmon, whose modus operandi is to see how far they can go in peddling weird racist theories about jews.
The far left is in a bind. I doubt they really knew how mad their bedfellows would turn out to be. After all, they must have thought that – operating in Trot politics – they had a very good idea of what “really really mad” looked like. Well, they know now! And now it is too late to pull out.
Posted by David T at November 24, 2006 01:23 PM
November 25, 2006 at 7:48 pm |
why don’t you post on Harry’s place and debate with David T yourself?
November 26, 2006 at 3:18 pm |
Before I even start to debate, the Neo-Nazi-Zionists will do a campaign to plant Anti-Semitism on the blog, smear me and then when it comes to an open debate the audience will have this misconception that I’m an “Anti-Semite”.
So, then there won’t be an open debate but a smear campaign. Just like what you did with Asghar Bukhari.
July 20, 2007 at 11:44 am |
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