What an article Asghar Bukhari has written in response to the accusations of “Anti-Semitism” (The New Form of Anti-Semitism: anyone who is sick of seeing children killed).
Over at the Smearists Harry’s Place they are already dreaming of the “end of mpacuk”. The thing is which these Zionists forget is that when you keep attacking and villifying the Muslims, the Muslim Community wake up and realise that this is more of a sinister plot to get rid of outspoken Muslim leaders against Zionist. So, Muslims wake up come round an deven join that organisation or group, because if the enemy (in this case racist scumbags over at Harry’s Place).
Let them dream, and let us expose these monsters (shit i’m anti-semitic now!!) who kill little children and the scumbags over at Harry’s Place defend this by saying they (Israel) has a right to protect itself from little babies in their sleeping cots.
November 24, 2006 at 1:18 pm |
What you have just professed is incredibly irresponsible, aggressive, and above all else, just plain wrong! Just as MPAC tries to assert its own position by attacking ‘zionists’, Harrys Place have dissected what is effectively a terrible, terrible statement made by Asghar Bukhari and pointed out the problems with his argument.
Taking sides is all well and good, but being aggressive with opponents to your view is just ridiculous. I respect much of the comment made on MPAC – but it is also the site which infuriates me most. I visit regularly to try and understand issues from all perspectives, just as I visit Harrys, or the BBC – although, I do not regard this as a comprehensive trawl through the ideological spectrum by any means!
Suggesting that the label of ‘Anti-Semite’ is only aimed at people who oppose the death of Palastinian children is plain rubbish and your argument is cretinous at best! Nobody defends the killing of innocents, nobody. And if they do, they deserve what they get. I am opposed to the majority of the actions Israel take, but I am also opposed at the constant posting of photos on MPAC – presumably posted to further stir up hatred and breed aggressive respondants to join ‘the cause against the zionists’. Rational debate can never be seriously undertaken if those managing the forum can only exchange bitter insults and accusations.
It seems like Anti-Semite to Muslims is Islamophobic to non-Muslims. We’re all afraid of opposing views for fear of pigeon-holing. I am not a zionist. But I feel that by opposing an MPAC stance, I will be branded one.
Lets debate – I have not seen a website which has been good at that yet…
November 24, 2006 at 3:15 pm |
but I am also opposed at the constant posting of photos on MPAC – presumably posted to further stir up hatred and breed aggressive respondants to join ‘the cause against the zionists’. Wait a fucking minute. So your hatred of MPAC of is because MPACUK is showing the after effects of Israels carnage? And those images are “stiring up hatred”?
Seriously, should we stop showing the images of the holocaust because they are causing hatred? If we can show the after effects of Nazism surely we can show the after effects of Zio-Nazism.
but being aggressive with opponents to your view is just ridiculous. I guess you haven’t noticed but I ain’t your average Muslim Joey, I spit out what I feel. If you don’t like it go to the Neo-Zio-Nazi Blogs.
November 24, 2006 at 3:56 pm |
Also, whats your definition of Freedom of Speech? Does it stop by censoring the killings of little children in Beit Hanoun?
November 24, 2006 at 7:12 pm |
i have read death threats directed at mpac on harry’s place not to mention constant trashing of every muslim/muslim group mentioned in the media, harry’s place are rabid muslim haters…dissect those comments mr Bunbury…and if you havent noticed muslims like myself have appreciated asghar’s honesty.
November 24, 2006 at 10:28 pm |
Utbah
I regret to inform you that you have failed your Israel test.
November 28, 2006 at 2:23 pm |
Utbah, where do I say I hate MPAC? Seriously…
The death threats on Harrys Place are disgusting, although are unmoderated comments and should be taken as the personal opinion of an absolute sicko – rather than claiming that ALL people who post on Harrys Place who choose not to swallow whole a statement from MPAC or the Palastinian Authorities.
What happens out in Palestine saddens me deeply. But it is not one-way traffic out there. I disagree with the policy and motivation of Israel, but I also disagree with much of the ‘justification’ given for terrorist acts in another country. The claims over land ownership are strong enough from both sides and no one is ever going to back down – it just seems that neither side are willing to settle for a compromise.
Regards
November 28, 2006 at 3:14 pm |
Mr Bunbury. Where have you said you don’t hate MPAC? Bring forward me 10 Pro-Israeli’s who are not Anti-MPACUK. I’m till waiting for Zin Zin to bring me 10 Pro-Palestinian Muslims who have not been smeared as anti-Semitic yet.
Are they unmoderated? You/they Pro-Israeli bloggers cannot have it both ways. When some comment goes on MPACUK forum which is out of order you cry anti-Semitic. Why is it Okay for a Pro-Israeli blog to have death threats and a Pro-Palestinian not to have it? Part of the smear campaign.
At least MPAC removes them, but not the Neo-Nazi-Zionists on Harry’s Place. You welcome them.
Define to me what terrorism is. Is terrorism a person who plasters the brains of children on their bed room walls? Is terrorism an Neo-Nazi-Zionists launching a guided bomb into a block of flats than a Palestinian countering that by launching a fire work?
Land ownership: Are you serious, hey I got a piece of paper saying that I own your house, can you remove yourself from your home so I can move in?
November 28, 2006 at 4:58 pm |
Dear oh dear – you really are talking rubbish. For a start I am far from Pro-Israeli, and even if I were – why would that automatically mean I hate MPAC. Perhaps there are people out there – in the big wide world – that cannot be pigeon-holed as easily as you may wish.
And on the subject of terrorism, I’ve spend 5 years studying terrorism and I flatly object to your tone and depiction. One man’s terrorist and all that rubbish – it depends on perspective. Terrorism, like war, is a label of justification for one group again ‘the other’.
When did I become a Neo-Nazi Zionist? Was it just for criticising you and your views? Should I wear a Star of David despite the fact I am not Jewish just because I do not agree with MPAC’s inflamatory remarks sometimes.
Again, I respect MPAC and their reason for being – their message is vitally important and needs to be heard now more than ever. However, I do not agree with a website which has basically become a forum for abuse of those people which highlight flaws in arguments, completely oppose their viewpoint, or merely want to get to the bottom of a fact or statement.
As far as I’m concerned – you’re the ’smearist’. Your arguments are full of flaws yet you fail to acknowedge them. I don’t mind, but don’t throw stones in glass houses.
Kind regards
November 28, 2006 at 6:44 pm |
Yeah, we Muslims always talk rubbish.
Come on share what you have learnt in those 5 years? What is terrorism?
Yeah, I would be called a smearists because I’m just playing the game which the smearists play, anyone who disagree’s with Israel’s apartheid policy must be a “Jew Hater”.
“However, I do not agree with a website which has basically become a forum for abuse of those people which highlight flaws in arguments, completely oppose their viewpoint, or merely want to get to the bottom of a fact or statement.”
Hit me with an example.
November 29, 2006 at 10:44 am |
Like I said in my first post Utbah: “Lets debate – I have not seen a website which has been good at that yet…”
“Playing the game the smearists play” is no excuse for your comments. What happened to the view that all humans are inherently good natured – you seem to want to argue and vent anger, that’s fair enough – but just because we disagree doesn’t give you the right to criticise EVERYTHING I say. Do I need to be fighting on the front line to have a valid opinion?
November 29, 2006 at 7:24 pm |
Go ahead, I’m all ears today.